Photobook Conversations #8 | Paul Ninson: “Engagement with photobooks is on the rise in Africa”

Photobook Conversations is edited by Ana Casas Broda (Hydra + Fotografía), Anshika Varma (Offset Projects) and Duncan Wooldridge (Manchester Metropolitan University). Sitting alongside the earlier Writer Conversations (1000 Words, 2023), edited by Lucy Soutter and Duncan Wooldridge, and Curator Conversations (1000 Words, 2021), edited by Tim Clark, it completes the series exploring the ways our understanding and experience of photography is mediated through exhibitions, writing and publishing.


Paul Ninson | Photobook Conversations #8 | 4 Apr 2025

Paul Ninson is an educator, scholar, curator, photographer, and cultural practitioner. In 2022 he established Africa’s biggest photography library, nested within Dikan Center, Accra, Ghana, a non-profit institution dedicated to shaping the next generation of Africa’s creative leaders. Having witnessed firsthand the impact of young African photographers and creatives being denied resources, Ninson’s mission is to impact lives through the transformative power of visual education. He continually strives to make visual education accessible for all through educational programmes, curating exhibitions, cultural heritage and archiving, as well as community engagement.

What were the encounters which started your relationship with photobooks?

It all began with my love for books and reading, an infection from my father. Reading was a big part of my upbringing, whether it was the Bible or Ladybird books. Photobooks were my first love and go-to for inspiration and learning when I began my photography journey. Oral stories from my grandparents exposed me to the art of storytelling, and I guess photography was the best medium for me to express myself more fully. The emergence of a photobook culture at the Dikan Center is deeply rooted in the need for equity and accessibility to knowledge, specifically African knowledge, for creatives in Ghana and beyond. It was extremely hard to access books and materials on photography and visual culture in Africa. To be an African visual storyteller, it is important to know African visual history. I remember the shock I felt when I got to New York, seeing so many African materials in various libraries yet not accessible in Ghana or other parts of Africa. These encounters influenced my quest to build the Dikan ecosystem as a way of educating the African creative leader.

The impetus to establish the Dikan Center was to educate through books, materials and programming. Photobooks here are not just collections of photographs, but curated experiences that reflect the complexities and beauty of African life. This dedication to cultivating a photobook culture is about affirming the value of our stories and ensuring they resonate not just within Africa, but globally, thus bridging cultural gaps and fostering a deeper understanding of the continent and its history.

What is your process for arriving at decisions about books and the projects that you undertake?

The history of photobooks in Africa has greatly influenced my initiative to create Africa’s first and largest photographic library. Initially, photobooks in Africa were mainly produced by outsiders during the colonial era, focusing on ethnographic views that didn’t truly reflect African life. However, post-independence, African photographers began using photobooks to showcase their own stories and culture, which inspired me. Seeing how African photographers like Seydou Keïta and Malick Sidibé, as well as contemporary artists such as Zanele Muholi, have used photobooks to challenge stereotypes and celebrate African identities motivated me to create a space in which this rich heritage could be preserved and appreciated widely. This led to the establishment of a library that not only houses photobooks but also supports a broader understanding of African visual culture. Through this library, my goal has been to make African visual culture accessible to both Africans and the global community, promoting exhibitions, research and educational programmes that expand on the narratives these photobooks offer. This initiative is about honouring our past whilst shaping a future narrative that reflects the true diversity and dynamism of African cultures.

The guiding principles for selecting and sourcing at the Dikan Center are deeply rooted in our mission to reflect the true diversity and richness of the continent’s knowledge systems. We prioritise works that offer new insights, challenge stereotypes and fill knowledge gaps in African visual history. Each selection is considered for its potential to contribute significantly to educational programmes, stimulate scholarly research and enhance public understanding of art and culture. We seek to increase the African collection, despite the considerable financial costs.

How do you balance choices between working with highly specific materials or processes, and the desire for access?

The motivation to start our own publishing programme stemmed from a critical look at the global publishing landscape, where African voices were significantly underrepresented. By establishing a dedicated publishing programme, we are able to support African photographers, researchers and writers in creating works that authentically represent their cultures and stories. This initiative also stems from a desire to have control over the narratives we share, ensuring that they are told with the dignity and depth that is often missing from outside portrayals of Africa.

The state of photobook publishing in Africa is at a pivotal moment, characterised by a growing recognition of its value as a medium for storytelling. The future looks bright, as more institutions and initiatives like Dikan emerge to support and promote photobook projects. Photobooks serve as essential educational resources at Dikan, providing unique material for curatorial work, enriching our archives and supporting various educational and development programmes. They offer tangible insights and historical records that are indispensable for research and teaching.

What is the public for a photobook? Who do you think of as your audience? 

The photobook, along with books and archival materials, is the cornerstone of Dikan’s ecosystem, acting as both a documentation and preservation of African history. It captures the essence of eras, movements and changes across the continent, offering future generations a well-recorded and accessible history of indigenous knowledge systems.

The audience for our photobooks is incredibly diverse, encompassing anyone from scholars and students to artists and general readers across the globe. We specifically aim to engage those who are directly impacted by the narratives we present, including African communities and diasporas seeking connections with their respective heritages. Engagement with photobooks is on the rise in Africa, driven by an increasing appreciation for their role in preserving culture and history. Promoting their educational and aesthetic values is essential to building further interest and understanding of their significance.

How important is it for photobooks to reach other continents?

International distribution is crucial not only for the sustainability
of photobook projects but also for promoting cross-cultural understanding. As a curator and publisher, global distribution expands the impact of our work, enabling African stories to reach a worldwide audience and contribute to a more inclusive global narrative. Whilst continually aiming for international distribution, we also remain committed to maintaining a balance that respects and promotes localised value alongside global recognition.

What is the place of language and writing in a book of photographs?

Language and narrative are central to the impact of our photobooks and publications, providing essential context and depth to the visual content. The interplay between image and text in our books is carefully crafted to enhance the reader’s understanding and engagement with the material. Whilst photobooks are powerful research tools, they are most effective when used in conjunction with other forms of media. For the most part, there isn’t a great difference between my approach to curating an exhibition and creating a photobook, just as the text or captions for an exhibition, so as the text and images relate. This multimedia approach allows for a richer exploration of topics, inserting photobooks within a larger, more dynamic landscape that includes digital platforms, exhibitions and interactive archives. We are seeking to go beyond photobooks as a mere static form. I am currently working on a book on African music, in which I am including links to a dedicated website for other forms such as augmented reality, video and so on.

Who have been the models or templates for your own activities?

Influential figures in the field of photography and cultural preservation have greatly shaped my approach and vision for Dikan. Particularly, organisations such as the Walther Collection have been instrumental in highlighting the importance of preserving and showcasing African photography. These figures and institutions serve as benchmarks for our work at Dikan, inspiring our efforts to create a sustainable and impactful ecosystem of visual culture. We aspire for a fair world in which Africans can have equal access to African knowledge.

What would make a better photobook ecosystem?

Improvements could include greater support for local publishers, initiatives to foster collaborations across different media and increased funding and resources for publishing projects. As a publication and journal, Dikan Press can play a significant role here. Major publishers could have a profound impact by partnering with local institutions to co-publish and distribute photobooks, ensuring these publications are accessible and relevant locally whilst also reaching an international audience. This approach would not only amplify African voices but also enrich the global literary and artistic landscape with diverse African perspectives.♦

Further interviews in the Photobook Conversations series can be read here


Images:

1-Paul Ninson © Ernest Ankomah

2-Library books at Dikan Center, Accra, Ghana


1000 Words favourites

• Renée Mussai on exhibitions as sites of dialogue, critique and activism

• Roxana Marcoci navigates curatorial practice in the digital age

• Tanvi Mishra reviews Felipe Romero Beltrán’s Dialect

• Discover London’s top five photography galleries

• Tim Clark in conversation with Hayward Gallery’s Ralph Rugoff on Hiroshi Sugimoto

• Academic rigour and essayistic freedom as told by Taous Dahmani

• Shana Lopes reviews Agnieszka Sosnowska’s För

• Valentina Abenavoli discusses photobooks and community

• Michael Grieve considers Ute Mahler and Werner Mahler’s posthumous collaboration with their late family member 

• Elisa Medde on Taysir Batniji’s images of glitched video calls from Gaza

Photobook Conversations #7 | Luis Juárez: “Who gets to tell stories through this medium?”

Photobook Conversations is edited by Ana Casas Broda (Hydra + Fotografía), Anshika Varma (Offset Projects) and Duncan Wooldridge (Manchester Metropolitan University). Sitting alongside the earlier Writer Conversations (1000 Words, 2023), edited by Lucy Soutter and Duncan Wooldridge, and Curator Conversations (1000 Words, 2021), edited by Tim Clark, it completes the series exploring the ways our understanding and experience of photography is mediated through exhibitions, writing and publishing.


Luis Juárez | Photobook Conversations #7 | 6 March 2025

Luis Juárez is an editor, curator and cultural practitioner in the field of photography, based in Buenos Aires, Argentina. He manages artistic projects and produces books, magazines, exhibitions, and art fairs. He is the Editor and Director of Balam, the first and only queer magazine dedicated to contemporary photography in Latin America, and the Founder and Director of MIGRA, Buenos Aires Art Book Fair. Juárez is a member of Archivo de la Memoria Trans Argentina (Argentina Trans Memory Archive), a space for the protection, construction and vindication of the trans memory, where he coordinates its publishing house.

What were the encounters which started your relationship with photobooks?

The first time I had an idea of what it meant to create a publication was when I was 10 years old, in 2001. I was in fifth grade at my elementary school in Tegucigalpa, Honduras. My teacher assigned us the task of creating our own magazine. The magazine I made was about entertainment and music. I remember going to the print shop with my older sister. We stood in front of the place, surrounded by printing machines and stacks of paper, and I had to make decisions about how I wanted my magazine to look. Imagine the kinds of decisions a 10-year-old could make… The man at the print shop asked me what type of paper I wanted to use, what format I preferred, and how I wanted the magazine assembled. I remembered my sister telling me that she really liked my project. That moment marked my first, albeit unconscious, encounter with the role of editor and creator of printed matter. From then on, I developed a special interest and sensitivity for working with images and tangible objects.

Many years later, now living in Buenos Aires, Argentina, in 2018, I managed to print the first physical edition of Balam, Issue N5. Its theme was ‘Metamorphosis’, where we explored how images inherently carry a drive towards change. We created a document that brought together images and reflected on their productive process, and the desire to represent transformation. In the issue, we included critical and aesthetic contributions that helped us envision a new habitat, a renewed space where differences became metaphors that generated meaning. We proposed a break from normativity, offering alternatives to conventional forms. Or at least, that’s what we aimed to convey. Metamorphosis was an experimental issue. My training as an editor has always been self-taught, and in this issue, I envisioned Balam for the first time as an object, more akin to the concept of a photobook than a traditional magazine. Although I call it a magazine, I appropriate the term to reimagine and understand what it means to work collectively.

The project began digitally in 2015, using the resources I had at the time: a computer and a desire to connect with photography. As a migrant without a single penny in my pocket, I later found a way to express myself through photography and paper. Migration, the lack of representation and the desire to create a space of connection outside the established norm were the excuses I needed to start making photobooks.

What is your process for arriving at decisions about books and the projects that you undertake?

In my case, directing a project that is printed once a year means working periodically. Each issue of Balam focuses on a specific theme, chosen through a deliberate and reflective process. The decisions about content are guided by a central goal: to speak relentlessly about the realities of sexual minorities and dissident communities. This focus is not accidental; since its first edition, Balam was born out of an urgent need to provoke, question and give visibility to voices that have been historically silenced or rendered invisible.

The world of photography – especially where the greatest capital and decision-making power are concentrated – has long been dominated by dynamics that privilege academic and intellectual white perspectives. This bias perpetuates exclusions and hierarchies that leave many on the margins. For me, understanding these structures is not only important but essential, as it allows me to offer a conscious and active response to the established order. I use photography as an excuse, a medium to debate, confront and question the realities of my community. Beyond its aesthetic value, the images in Balam are tools for initiating conversations, challenging narratives and exploring new possibilities for representation.

The books I produce are not just objects, but spaces for collective reflection. I am particularly interested in questioning who has access to photography and the production of photobooks. Who gets to tell stories through this medium? What economic, social or cultural barriers limit access? These questions guide my practice and reinforce my conviction that working in community is the only way that makes sense to me. The decisions that shape my projects emerge from collective processes. I interpret and materialise these decisions, acting as a bridge between the needs expressed and the creation of an editorial object that engages with those demands.

I often reflect on the disconnection between academia and the realities of communities. I believe sometimes academia lacks the “streets” in its epistemology. It is easy to analyse and theorise from the comfort of a desk, but going out into the world, putting your body on the line and experiencing the tensions of social realities is a completely different practice. I firmly believe that this connection to the ground, to living stories, is what gives meaning and depth to my work.

In Balam, themes are not only decided but also discovered in the midst of the creative process. By deeply immersing ourselves in the theme of the current issue, we uncover ideas and connections that organically lead us to the next edition. This makes the project something alive, constantly evolving. I like to imagine Balam symbolically as a necklace: each previous issue awakens and nurtures what the next one will become. For example, Issue N8: Chosen Families awakened issue N9: New Masculinities, and so on… This continuity ensures not only coherence but also a constant evolution in the discussions and reflections we propose.

How do you like to work with people?

For every issue, I collaborate with a guest editor. Together, we decide how we want to project and tell the story, from its concept to its materiality and design. This approach allows Balam to reinvent itself from scratch. Nothing about Balam is linear, because there is nothing straight. Each editor brings their own unique universe, inviting me into their world and challenging me to be even more politically incorrect. This process reaffirms that there is no single answer when it comes to creating and producing.

I’m not interested in working with “editors” in the traditional sense of the word. Instead, I collaborate with individuals whose connection to the proposed theme is deeply rooted in their way of life and personal experience. Their wisdom comes from lived experiences and emotional insight. This is crucial to me: learning from them, amplifying their capabilities and offering them a space to discover new possibilities within themselves. This exchange is mutual and deeply reciprocal. Without reciprocity, I’m not interested in collaborating; I cannot move forward.

As such, the selection of guest editors is never random. I choose to work with people I deeply admire and respect. These collaborations enrich me both personally and professionally, reinforcing my belief that creativity thrives in encounters and dialogues. By allowing each editor to bring their vision, the project becomes a platform for constant exploration. This methodology ensures that every issue is a unique and authentic exercise, where differences are not only celebrated but also become the driving force behind the creative process.

What is the public for a photobook? Who do you think of as your audience? 

I would like to rephrase the question and reflect on “Who are the people doing photobooks?”. Instead of “What is the public for a photobook?”, who has access to the resources needed to make them? Access to information and production tools must be universal, regardless of the format. Only then can we truly work with perspectives that are more real, inclusive and representative.

It’s important to acknowledge that, historically, photography has been a tool of colonisation, used to document and illustrate what which was stolen from us. For example, in hundreds of photobooks created by white men, we find the story of colonisation in the Americas told from an external perspective, often stripped of context and the voices of its true protagonists. Now, imagine what happens when these books are printed and distributed across the world. In the past, we had no choice but to rely on these narratives to learn about “our history”. There is a canon of European and American photography that focuses on that, on celebrating the fetishisation of our territory.

Today, the dynamics have shifted, and we have a responsibility to challenge these narratives and actively work to bring photobooks closer to their rightful protagonists. It is time to stop telling stories that don’t belong to us and to cease appropriating others’ narratives. In my case, my interest in creating books and magazines is deeply rooted in working with the people who live and embody these stories. It’s about creating a safe space where they can tell their own experiences, from their own perspectives, and see themselves represented in the materials we produce.

This leads us to a crucial question: what does it really mean to create a photobook? Do we want our book to simply be a product that reflects our personal interests, celebrates the excellence of its materiality and design, wins awards and participates in prestigious festivals? Or do we want it to be a vehicle for amplifying voices, a means to provide resources to communities and projects that have long awaited the opportunity to be heard and seen?

If we choose the latter, we are engaging in an act of reparation and social justice – a way to contribute to greater integration and representation. This brings us to the pivotal question: are we truly creating new narratives in photobooks, or are we perpetuating the same structures of exclusion and centralisation of power?

In my case, before thinking about who my audience is or who the people consuming my books are, I focus more on the audience I want to work with. That is, I prioritise understanding the internal aspects over the external ones. When the focus is on the internal, the external result – the book as a final object – becomes a genuine reflection of the relationships, learning experiences, and conversations that took place during its creation. The external audience is simply a natural consequence of the final work. My attention is on the process – on how and with whom I work with.

How important is it for photobooks to reach other continents?

A photobook is much more than a physical object; it is the crystallisation of ideas, experiences, narratives, and collaborations. Reaching new corners in other continents is essential for these stories to be understood, read and appreciated from different perspectives.

I work with the idea that books should be free of borders – a tool to democratise other realities and expand the conversation beyond their places of origin. At Balam, for example, we translate our magazine into English, Spanish and Portuguese to connect with broader and more diverse audiences. This not only allows our stories to reach more people but also creates a space to find commonalities, shared interests and representations across cultures.

This effort of distribution and openness significantly expands our network, fostering collaborations with institutions, curators, artists and photography professionals from other countries. Reaching other continents is not just an opportunity for expansion; for me, it is a way to affirm and consolidate the ideals and methods I wish to work with. It gives me a perspective on how things are made and thought.

However, producing the book is not enough; circulation and distribution are equally important processes that require attention and planning. Books don’t move on their own. It is essential to build relationships and experiences with the people and places that make it possible to participate in fairs, festivals and other cultural events. Especially if you’re living in Latin America, where access to this industry is hard to be supported. So going abroad is essentially to position yourself and make new connections. In terms of financing, for us historically, the money and the funding support is abroad.

In my case, after printing Balam for the first time, I was faced with the need to figure out how to move this independent project into new spaces. That’s when I created MIGRA, Buenos Aires Art Book Fair. This project was not only a response to my own concerns but also a platform to connect with other projects and art book fairs around the world, like the Printed Matter Art Book Fair in New York City, SPRINT in Milan, Athens Art Book, Recreo in Valencia and many others. Generating alliances and collaborations that strengthen the independent publishing community.

This work doesn’t happen in isolation. It’s an ecosystem where every element – creating the book, distributing and showcasing it – is essential for the whole process to function. Without one, the others wouldn’t exist. And within this ecosystem, we’re not just sharing an object but a worldview – open to dialogue and transformation. 

What do you think is the significance of the shift towards the book as an object?

The shift towards the book as an object represents a profound evolution in how we perceive, create and interact with publications. It transforms the book from being solely a vessel of content into a multidimensional artifact – one that embodies not only the narrative it carries but also its materiality, as well as design and tactile qualities. Treating the book as an object disrupts traditional publishing paradigms. It challenges the notion that books are merely functional or consumable, positioning them on a different scale from conventionalism. This shift often aligns with experimental and independent publishing practices, where we as creators have the freedom to reimagine whatever suits our projects best.

Creating, editing, printing and ultimately having a book read is, in itself, a performative act – a psycho-magic ritual that the photobook enacts. Each reader establishes a unique relationship with the book and its imagery, and for some, this connection becomes almost sacred.

When we print a photobook, we are working with the visual, engaging directly with what captures the eye first. This is where the emotional resonance of the work takes hold, forging an immediate, visceral connection between the viewer and the content. This process embeds the book with a profound affective dimension, making it inseparable from the individual who engages with it. Once this bond is formed, there’s no turning back; the book becomes part of the person, a reflection of their experience and perception.

Photobooks, as tangible objects, carry a symbolic weight that contributes significantly to our construction of identity. We create and surround ourselves with objects that resonate with us on a deeper level, shaping and reflecting who we are. A photobook, then, is more than just a collection of images or stories; it is a vessel of meaning, charged with the emotions, ideas and identities of both its creator and audience.

This is why photobooks are often cherished as personal artefacts, not just artistic creations. They occupy a unique space between the visual and the tangible, where their physicality enhances their narrative power. The act of holding a photobook, turning its pages, and immersing oneself in its images and textures transforms it into an intimate experience. It is not just a book; it is an extension of human expression, a dialogue between the creator, the object and the reader.

How do you attempt to address sustainability in publishing?

The question of how to approach sustainability in publishing is complex for me. I work with and produce books independently in a context where printing is becoming increasingly difficult. This is due to several factors, one of the main ones being the economic crisis in Argentina. Additionally, there is a lack of cultural support and a shortage of collaborative projects that contribute to strengthening the photobook community.

In Argentina, Balam is the only contemporary photography magazine currently published, and one of the few in Latin America. Over time, I have noticed that printing costs continue to rise, which increases the price of the magazine for the market. This forces me to constantly think about strategies and partnerships to keep the project afloat. In fact, one of the biggest challenges is that many projects, due to economic reasons, end up becoming obsolete and disappear.

Next year, Balam will turn 10, something I never imagined would happen, and it remains relevant and alive. This leads me to reflect on the concept of sustainability, which in my case is highly influenced by the context. It is not the same to edit and produce a photobook in Switzerland as it is in Argentina, as the resources, opportunities, materials and access are completely different.

I believe that an established publishing house or an institution might be able to address sustainability and answer this question better than me. In my case, it is much more complex, as I am uncertain about how I will be able to print the next issue of Balam. Sustainability in my practice is linked to constant uncertainty.

It is important to consider that, for those of us working independently, sustainability not only refers to the ability to maintain a project long-term but also to resilience in the face of an economic and social environment that makes cultural production difficult. Sustainability in publishing, for me, also involves building connections, strengthening networks of collaboration and supporting the creation of spaces that foster diversity and inclusion in the publishing industry.

What would make a better photobook ecosystem?

To go outside of it, to move beyond its own limits. It is essential to engage in dialogue with spaces, people and institutions outside of what is established. Working with the concept of decentralisation allows for the opening of other worlds and perspectives, creating new possibilities for creation and reflection. Agents who can play an active role in institutions, reviewing and questioning key aspects of the history of photography. I believe that photography gains greater meaning when one steps outside of it. It makes even more sense knowing that this is our medium of work.♦

Further interviews in the Photobook Conversations series can be read here


Images:

1-Luis Juárez © Hector Villalobos

2>3-Covers and spread from Balam


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• Renée Mussai on exhibitions as sites of dialogue, critique and activism

• Roxana Marcoci navigates curatorial practice in the digital age

• Tanvi Mishra reviews Felipe Romero Beltrán’s Dialect

• Discover London’s top five photography galleries

• Tim Clark in conversation with Hayward Gallery’s Ralph Rugoff on Hiroshi Sugimoto

• Academic rigour and essayistic freedom as told by Taous Dahmani

• Shana Lopes reviews Agnieszka Sosnowska’s För

• Valentina Abenavoli discusses photobooks and community

• Michael Grieve considers Ute Mahler and Werner Mahler’s posthumous collaboration with their late family member 

• Elisa Medde on Taysir Batniji’s images of glitched video calls from Gaza

Photobook Conversations #6 | Anastasiia Leonova: “This ecosystem is vibrant, but it is also insular”

Photobook Conversations is edited by Ana Casas Broda (Hydra + Fotografía), Anshika Varma (Offset Projects) and Duncan Wooldridge (Manchester Metropolitan University). Sitting alongside the earlier Writer Conversations (1000 Words, 2023), edited by Lucy Soutter and Duncan Wooldridge, and Curator Conversations (1000 Words, 2021), edited by Tim Clark, it completes the series exploring the ways our understanding and experience of photography is mediated through exhibitions, writing and publishing.


Anastasiia Leonova | Photobook Conversations #6 | 20 Feb 2025

Anastasiia Leonova is a publisher, art manager, curator, and co-founder of ist publishing based in Ukraine. Between 2014–20, she ran an independent art gallery in Kharkiv focused on contemporary art. With a background in Sociology and Art History, she specialises in photography and photobooks. Leonova is the curator of Mystetska Biblioteka, a project promoting contemporary artistic editions, and runs The Naked Books, a Kyiv-based shop dedicated to artistic books. She founded BOOK CHAMPIONS WEEKEND, a festival for photobook publishers, in 2021, and served on the jury for the 2023 Dummy Book Award.

What is your process for arriving at decisions about books and the projects that you undertake?

At ist publishing, we approach each book not just as a physical object but as the heart of a larger conversation. Publishing is a long-term journey – a process that extends into exhibitions, presentations, book signings, and the dialogues these encounters spark. To make this journey meaningful, we prioritise collaboration with artists whose practices we’ve followed over time. This allows us to build mutual trust, ensuring that both the artist and the publisher are aligned upon navigating the unpredictable yet rewarding path of book-making.

But book publishing is never just about aesthetics or storytelling. The decision to publish is often driven by urgency – political, social and cultural. Right now, in Ukraine, this urgency is sharpened by the context of war. Many of our projects focus on war-related topics, both in artistic and theoretical realms. These themes are not just relevant, but crucial. They help us process and accept our collective and individual experiences, offering a lens through which we can confront the realities of our time.

Take, for example, works that highlight resilience, embody a sense of mission, or contribute to the ongoing narrative of nation-building during times of profound upheaval. Saints (2024) by Sasha Maslov is one such book. This photobook shares the profound personal sacrifices made by Ukrainians during the Russian invasion of 2022–23. Through over 100 photographs and stories, Maslov portrays soldiers in the Armed Forces, volunteers and civilians whose everyday efforts contribute to Ukraine’s defence efforts. It is a work that speaks to the essence of modern sanctity – a concept redefined by the selflessness and resilience of ordinary people during the decade-long war.

Before 2022, we primarily focused on artistic projects and rarely worked with documentary photography. But nowadays, timing has become everything. With Saints, it felt like an urgent need to tell these stories to the world. We produced this 320-page book in a record four months, working through relentless shelling and constant power outages. The result was nothing short of extraordinary, with more than 2,000 copies pre-sold before going to print. In peaceful times, I could never have imagined such a scenario, but this experience demonstrated the power of photobooks as more than just artistic representation. They are also a vital tool for information, a means of communicating urgent, real-world narratives that demand to be heard.

Of course, we’d be remiss not to acknowledge the financial realities that shape this work. The cost of producing photobooks has risen sharply, and securing funding is more difficult than ever. Selling them presents its own challenges – photobooks exist in a niche market with high prices, where distributors often take more than half the revenue. At times, it feels like photobook publishing will remain the domain of the truly devoted. And yes, we proudly count ourselves amongst them.

Still, commercial considerations inevitably play a role. If an artist has a grant, a partner institution willing to support the project or a dedicated audience eager to purchase the book, it naturally becomes a higher priority. These partnerships and opportunities enable us to keep the doors open for projects that might otherwise remain unrealised.

For us, every book we publish is a commitment – not just to the artist, but to the audience and the questions that define our moment. Whether it’s a local story in Ukraine or a conversation about war, memory and identity, our goal is to create books that transcend their pages, sparking the kind of engagement that can reshape how we see and understand the world.

How do you like to work with people? 

For each book we create, we assemble a unique team of translators, editors, designers and printers tailored to the specific project and its demands. Every publication has its own vision and challenges, and we believe the right collaboration is key to bringing it to life. That said, we also have a trusted pool of professionals – people whose work we’ve relied on for years and who understand our ethos.

As a publisher, I’m fully immersed in art direction. From the careful selection of works and the crafting of sequences to overseeing the precision of printing proofs, I ensure that every detail aligns with the vision of the book. When it comes to photobooks, the collaboration between designer and artist is particularly crucial. The designer must not only have technical expertise but also a deep connection to the artist’s work and a sensitivity to its nuances. This relationship often involves close teamwork under tight conditions, requiring trust, open communication and a shared creative language. Our process is deeply collaborative, with every book serving as the culmination of many perspectives and efforts, creating something both meaningful and enduring. 

How do you balance choices between working with highly specific materials or processes, and the desire for access?

When an artist approaches us to create a book together, I believe they come with certain expectations – of quality, care and the level of visibility we’ve built through our previous projects. It’s a trust we take seriously, and we strive to maintain that standard with every publication.

However, delivering on that promise is a nuanced challenge. On one hand, we’re deeply committed to honouring the artist’s vision, ensuring the book reflects their expectations and creative intentions. On the other, we must navigate the realities of the book market. This means making the work accessible – both in terms of pricing and presentation – to the audience that has trusted us for years.

It’s a delicate balance, blending artistic ambition with practical considerations. The goal is always the same: to create a book that not only stands as a testament to the artist’s work but also finds its place in the hands of readers who will appreciate and connect with it. The challenge is what makes it rewarding – crafting something that resonates on multiple levels, staying true to our ethos whilst continuously adapting to an ever-changing landscape.

What is the public for a photobook? Who do you think of as your audience? 

Photobooks have long existed in a niche space – a specialised audience of other photographers, publishers, collectors, enthusiasts, and art-world professionals who gather at book fairs, enter contests and celebrate their craft in awards. This ecosystem is vibrant, but it is also insular. The question we constantly grapple with is how to expand this audience, to bring photobooks out of the art bubble and into the hands of a broader public. And should we really expand it?

Last year, this question took on a new urgency when we were approached by Ukraine’s largest electricity provider, which supplies 90% of the country’s power. After suffering catastrophic losses to infrastructure during the brutal winter of 2022–23 – when Russian missile strikes and shelling damaged countless energy facilities and left millions in the dark – they wanted to create something remarkable.

At first glance, this collaboration seemed unusual. What does a power company have to do with photobooks? Yet, for us, it was a natural fit. We drew on our extensive network of photographers, many of whom risked their lives to document the fallout of this energy crisis. The resulting book is a powerful visual story of resilience, featuring work by more than 30 Ukrainian photographers. It is a tribute to those who refused to give up – engineers and electricians who worked tirelessly to ensure that darkness didn’t prevail.

For me, this project was, in a certain way, a revelation. It proved that photobooks can transcend their origins. They can become tools of storytelling and education, reaching audiences far beyond the art world. Making photobooks more accessible is not just an artistic challenge but a communicative one. By bridging the gap between the photobook community and the broader book market, we can amplify their impact. Photobooks may have started in a niche, but they don’t have to remain there. It’s not just about expanding the audience, but expanding the possibilities of what a photobook can be.

How important is it for photobooks to reach other continents?

Photobooks, by their very nature, present invaluable opportunities for cross-cultural learning. The ability to make such works accessible worldwide reinforces their significance – not just for the communities they originate from, but for the global conversation they can enrich. When shared with a wider audience, even the most specific stories begin to reveal their connections to shared human experiences, transforming them into universal reflections.

Often, projects like the ones we work on in Ukraine focus on deeply local topics, yet they hold universal relevance when viewed through a global context. Take, for instance, our latest photobook, The Chips: Ukrainian Naїve Mosaics of the 1950–90s (2024), by Yevgen Nikiforov and Polina Baitsym. This work documents the fragile beauty of mosaics created by unknown authors – a vanishing phenomenon in public art and memory. Although these mosaics are specific to Ukraine, the theme resonates far beyond the country’s borders, echoing the preservation challenges faced by similar public art forms in the UK, Mexico and India.

At ist publishing, our efforts extend beyond photobooks. We are deeply committed to translating and publishing texts in philosophy, anthropology, architecture and other culturally relevant fields. By bringing thinkers such as W.G. Sebald, Rem Koolhaas, Anna Tsing, John Berger, and Susan Sontag into the Ukrainian context, we aim to bridge intellectual gaps that often leave us isolated from the broader international dialogue. Like any book, a photobook is fundamentally an act of communication – an exchange across geographies and cultures. It is a way to address the distances that separate us whilst uncovering shared dilemmas we all face, even if our engagement with those dilemmas differs.

What makes this effort so compelling is the recognition that photobook publishers from all corners of the globe face strikingly similar challenges in the photobook market. Rising production costs, small audiences and the precarious nature of distribution are universal obstacles. However, these shared difficulties highlight the vitality of the photobook as a medium. The struggle to preserve and disseminate these unique cultural artifacts is not an isolated endeavour but part of a broader global effort to connect, communicate and understand one another in ways that transcend language, borders and time.

The global network of publishers, artists and readers, each grappling with similar questions and concerns, becomes a testament to the enduring power of the book as a shared cultural venture. Bringing a photobook to another continent is not merely about extending its reach, but itself act of profound understanding.

What is the place of language and writing in a book of photographs?

Language is a bridge, a foundation for communication that connects the visual and the textual, offering context, meaning and dialogue. For me, it is a vital part of any book.

In Ukraine, the role of language has become even more charged during Russia’s full-scale invasion. For decades, our society existed in a bilingual state, a cultural legacy of imperial influence (roughly half of Ukrainians spoke Russian, whilst the other half spoke Ukrainian). There was something beautiful about this coexistence – friends sitting at the same table, speaking in two languages without even switching, effortlessly blending them in a way that fostered mutual understanding.

But the war changes everything. Many of us came to realise that speaking Russian was not entirely their choice but a legacy of imposed dominance, a remnant of cultural erasure carefully engineered over centuries. This realisation sparked a nationwide shift, an intentional decision to reclaim Ukrainian as a language of daily life, resistance and identity.

At first, it was difficult. Language isn’t just about grammar; it’s deeply personal. It carries memories, habits and intimacy. For many, the transition was most challenging with loved ones, where a shared vocabulary of affection – specific words, familiar intonations – had been forged in Russian. But with time, speaking Ukrainian has become second nature, a habit that carried weight and meaning, a step toward preserving and nourishing something truly ours.

In our photobooks, this relationship with language finds expression through a dual-language approach. Each book speaks in Ukrainian, honouring its local roots, and in English, opening its narrative to the world. This balance feels right: it respects the images, the stories they tell and the audiences who will hold these books in their hands.

Who have been the models or templates for your own activities?

The guiding lights of my work are many, each offering something invaluable. Loose Joints inspires with their bold, fresh selection of projects, daring to venture where others might hesitate. Spector Books captivates with its exceptional design, turning every page into a tactile experience that enhances the narrative. Images Vevey stands out for their thoughtful and caring collaboration with artists, creating a space where creativity thrives in mutual respect. Jason Eskenazi’s wisdom on photo sequencing has been a treasure, teaching me that the order of images is as powerful as the images themselves. Antoine D’Agata, with his boundless enthusiasm for creating new books and reinvigorating the methods of presenting work, continually pushes me to think beyond conventional boundaries. And, of course, all of our authors, who, through each project, show me how to look deeper, to resist rushing toward conclusions, and to embrace the raw truth of the story without unnecessary interpretations.

What would make a better photobook ecosystem?

A better photobook ecosystem is one that addresses the economic challenges and distribution hurdles faced by publishers, artists and readers alike. The photobook, as an art form and a medium of storytelling, thrives in a specialised ecosystem, but to grow and become more accessible, we need to rethink how it is produced, sold and shared across the globe.

One of the most pressing issues in the photobook world is financial sustainability. The production of photobooks, particularly those that involve high-quality printing, binding, and design, is expensive. As costs continue to rise – driven by inflation, the increasing price of materials and labour shortages – many small publishers are forced to make difficult decisions about the number of copies they can print or the price they must charge. This creates a barrier to entry for new publishers, limits the variety of voices in the market, and, in some cases, forces publishers to choose between maintaining artistic integrity and ensuring the financial viability of a project.

To address this, publishers, artists and distributors need to build more collaborative financial models. This could involve pooling resources for shared production costs, offering crowd-funding opportunities for specific projects, or working with larger institutions – such as museums, galleries or cultural organisations – that can help fund photobook projects whilst offering wider visibility. It is also important to reconsider how photobooks are priced. Whilst they are often considered niche objects, pricing should strike a balance between making them accessible to a broader audience and supporting the value of the artist’s work. Special editions, smaller print runs and flexible pricing models can help achieve this.

Distribution is equally important in creating a more vibrant photobook ecosystem. Currently, photobooks are primarily sold through limited markets – specialised bookstores, art galleries, photography fairs, and direct sales from publishers. These platforms are vital, but they limit the reach of photobooks to a relatively small audience. To truly expand the photobook’s influence, it needs to be integrated into larger book markets, accessible in mainstream bookstores, and available through online retail platforms where a broader audience can discover them.

However, as I said, the move towards mainstream distribution must not come at the cost of artistic integrity or the community that has sustained photobooks for decades. The challenge is finding a way to expand their reach without diluting their cultural and artistic value. For this, hybrid distribution models should be explored, by partnering with online platforms or larger book retailers whilst also maintaining the intimacy of smaller, independent channels where the spirit of the photobook community thrives.

An often overlooked but critical aspect of a stronger photobook ecosystem is the need for effective marketing and promotion. Photobooks often rely on a niche audience that already understands the value of the medium. However, to grow this audience, publishers need to develop strategies that can introduce the medium to a wider public.

Lastly, a robust, transparent distribution network that ensures the availability of photobooks at multiple price points and in diverse regions is necessary. Working with distributors who understand the unique nature of photobooks and can support their presence in non-traditional retail environments (like pop-up shops, festivals and temporary exhibitions) is key to growing the ecosystem. By building more collaborative and accessible financial structures, expanding distribution beyond niche markets and investing in the promotion and education of new audiences, we can create a more sustainable and vibrant future for photobooks that is both economically viable and artistically enriching.♦

Further interviews in the Photobook Conversations series can be read here


Images:

1-Anastasiia Leonova © Igor Chekachkov

2-Sasha Maslov, Saints (ist publishing, 2024)

3-Katya Lesiv, I Love You (ist publishing, 2021)


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Photobook Conversations #5 | Daniel Boetker-Smith: “The best photobooks of the next 25 years will not come from Europe or North America”

Photobook Conversations is edited by Ana Casas Broda (Hydra + Fotografía), Anshika Varma (Offset Projects) and Duncan Wooldridge (Manchester Metropolitan University). Sitting alongside the earlier Writer Conversations (1000 Words, 2023), edited by Lucy Soutter and Duncan Wooldridge, and Curator Conversations (1000 Words, 2021), edited by Tim Clark, it completes the series exploring the ways our understanding and experience of photography is mediated through exhibitions, writing and publishing.


Daniel Boetker-Smith | Photobook Conversations #5 | 16 Jan 2025

Daniel Boetker-Smith is the Director of the Centre for Contemporary Photography (CCP), Melbourne, Australia, and a curator, educator, writer, publisher, and photographer. He is the Founder of the Asia-Pacific Photobook Archive and regularly speaks at festivals and symposia internationally on the subject of photobooks, photographic publishing and self-publishing in the Asia-Pacific area. Boetker-Smith has previously taught and guest lectured for nearly 20 years at universities and institutions in Australia, Germany, Netherlands, Malaysia, Singapore, and the UK and US.

What were the encounters which started your relationship with photobooks?

In my last year of high school, I had a photography teacher who was a bit of a loose cannon pedagogically speaking, and also fancied himself as a jazz aficionado. He had shelves stuffed full of photography books in his office – classics by Walker Evans and Robert Frank, but also obscure Japanese photobooks he’d collected on his travels. I don’t recall ever having any formal classes, but just remember looking at photobooks for hours. The teacher would smoke his pipe and play a Charles Mingus cassette tape loudly over and over again whilst I ransacked his shelves. He would shout over the music about structure, rhythm, tempo, and pattern in images and music, though I couldn’t understand most of what he was saying I trace my 30-year photobook obsession back to those days.

The second important encounter happened over a decade later, in 2001, when W.G. Sebald’s book Austerltiz was released. I was in my final year at university, and I had already read Sebald’s Rings of Saturn (1995) a couple of years earlier. I had been enthralled by Sebald’s weaving of interconnected stories and meandering reflections that placed me in the middle of his experiences rather than just as a “reader”. I had read Rings of Saturn when I had been travelling in Australia and had been on a personal quest to meet my father for the first time. So, for obvious reasons, I felt a strong connection to Sebald’s interspersing of photographs and text as a way of dealing with the past, memories and their fragmentary and non-linear nature. I became magnetically drawn to books that used digression as a mode of storytelling. Sebald created a space for me to embrace disjointedness as a valid way to construct and explore narrative, and to see the world. Since then I have sought out photobooks that utilise such strategies in order to present their tales. I enjoy their disruptiveness, poetic and anarchic quality, and essentially that is all I ever write about.

At this time, around 2001, I was looking at photobooks like Droit de Regards (originally published in 1985 in French, and later in English) by Belgian photographer Marie-Françoise Plissart, the seminal In Flagrante by Chris Killip (1988) and Rinko Kawauchi’s two books published by Little More, titled Hanabi and Utatane (both 2001). It seems now, on reflection, that 2001 was a perfect storm in which a tsunami of elements from literature and photobooks coalesced in front of me in the very moment in which I was ready to absorb them. These photobooks all seemed to apply (in visual form) the very concepts I had found enthralling in Sebald – an ability to resist and deviate from a traditional model of storytelling; to eschew neat, teleological narratives. These publications cemented my obsession with photobooks, formed the basis of my MA thesis that I completed the following year and represented the starting point of my photobook collection/obsession.

How do you like to work with people?

I find it hard to categorise what I do, and therefore how I work with people is difficult to explain. I have published books but don’t consider myself a publisher; I have helped hundreds of people with their photographic projects and their books but don’t consider myself an editor or designer; I have curated exhibitions large and small but don’t consider myself a curator; I have taught photography and art for 20 years but don’t consider myself a teacher; and I often write about photography but don’t consider myself a writer.

I still actually think of myself as a photographer, though I rarely make photographs anymore. I think I unconsciously approach everything I do as a photographer – one who also writes, publishes, curates, and teaches. So, to dig into that and return to the question, I would suppose that this base informs how I work with people. I come at any collaboration I do with a photographer with a sense of being “one of them”, not as someone who sits in a position of power as the Dean of a College, a Gallery Director or publisher.

This background is evident when I’m working with photographers, mostly students or in workshops and masterclasses. It’s very easy for me to pick out the images that are working – to identify the photographs that are benefiting or progressing the broader narrative or theme, and the ones that aren’t good enough. It’s simply a case, for me, of getting a sense of the background, the intent and the aspirations of the photographer (and the images) and then putting myself in the position of the photographer, as if it were my own project, to make decisions about the direction I think it needs to go, and how best it could be manifested as a book or exhibition.

One of the key elements of making an edit of a book is retaining a physicality to the process – printing out all the images, at all different sizes, sticking them in books or on the wall, printing and binding a dummy, and sitting with these various incarnations always leads to good decisions. The other important element is spending time with the photographer in my library of books. At the early stages of thinking about a book, there’s nothing more useful than sitting in a room of thousands of photobooks. This process starts with aimless looking, random conversations and is then followed by frenzied trains of connected thought, which leads to refinement, inspiration, clarity, and purpose for the book yet to be made.

I get the most enjoyment out of working with emerging photographers. After 20 years of teaching, I never became tired or lost the passion for looking at new work. Inevitably, most of my teaching focused around photobooks, and I always found collaborating with students on making their photobooks thoroughly enjoyable. Now, as Director of the Centre for Contemporary Photography (CCP), I get the chance to work in a more informal way with emerging photographers, without my teacher’s hat on. I am constantly reaching out to people to ask them to show me their work. Spending time talking through an emerging photographer’s work in-depth, and discussing how they can improve and move forward and getting excited about how it could look in book or exhibition form is a perfect day for me.

What is the public for a photobook? Who do you think of as your audience? 

As most of my interactions with photobooks is as a collector, a writer and an educator, I would like to approach this question differently. I think the audience is the one with the responsibility, and here I am referring specifically to US and European audiences. Given that the focus of the photobook ecosystem in North America and Europe, it is easy for those audiences to be complacent, and only engage with the books that are placed “in front of them”. One only needs to look at the ‘Best of’ booklists in PhotoEye or LensCulture or The Guardian etc., it is essentially a closed circle. There is an urgent need to turn the attention to Asia, to Africa and to South America. Some European publishers and collectors are already doing this to a small degree, however having a small number of gatekeepers isn’t enough. The photobook world needs to recognise and reflect on its biases and inclinations. The best photobooks of the next 25 years will not come from Europe or North America, they will come from places like Indonesia, Nigeria and Brazil. And they will come from photographers who have vital and important stories to tell.

For someone publishing a book in 2025, the best way to think about photobooks is that the audience is entirely different for each book, and that you have to almost start from zero each time. An audience can’t be conceived of until the final book is done and in your hands. Make a book as best you can within your budget, and as close to what you imagined at the start – as close to the idea of the book that got you excited enough about to want to make a book in the first place. Then once the book is done, and you understand what it is you’ve made, start thinking laterally about who the audience could be. For your first photobook, trying to make something with a preconceived audience in mind is a recipe for disaster.

Part of my work here in Australia over the past 15 years has been to build a community of photobook makers and to work with others to grow the audience of those who buy photobooks. When I became the Dean at Photography Studies College in Melbourne, I made sure that photobooks were a central part of the curriculum for both BA and MA students. Now, the students that I taught 10-15 years ago are themselves teaching, so inevitably the “bug” has spread. Most colleges in Australia now have some sort of photobook course. I also ran (with Heidi Romano) the Photobook Melbourne festival in 2015, and have been involved with organising and curating major photobook events at festivals and in national art institutions like the Museum of Contemporary Art in Sydney and the National Gallery of Victoria in Melbourne.

I have also on many occasions ran events large and small with Justine Ellis and Dan Rule from Perimeter Books, Australia’s unofficial epicentre of photobook publishing. Perimeter produce up to 15 books per year, distribute a long list of international publishers to book shops all over Australia and New Zealand, attend fairs across the world and regularly organise photo and art book events, launches and fairs. Their passion and friendship have been a big influence for me over the last decade, and they have built up a massive community here through their commitment and energy.

In 2021, I co-curated a major exhibition here at the Museum of Australian Photography, and it featured a number of internationally recognised “photobook” names, including Mathieu Asselin, Broomberg & Chanarin, Cristina De Middel, Laura El-Tantawy, Yoshikatsu Fujii, Gauri Gill and Rajesh Vangad, Zhang Kechun, Dana Lixenberg, Max Pinckers and Alec Soth, alongside Australian photographers Ashley Gilbertson, Raphaela Rosella, and James Tylor. Though this exhibition wasn’t about photobooks per se, it was, for me, an added bonus to create a platform to introduce an Australian audience to some of the most important international photobooks of the past decade or so. 

How important is it for photobooks to reach other continents?

Of course, it’s vital to the future of the photobook that we push for and embrace diversity and access. I would again rephrase the question however, given that this book of conversations and responses will, I imagine, have a predominance of European readers. I would instead ask how important is it for you (the reader) to seek out books from other continents? I would say that it is your absolute responsibility.

European photobooks, though publishers will admit times are tough, at least have a readymade market on their doorstep, with a glut of festivals, galleries and fairs, and geographic accessibility. The issue for photobook makers and publishers from the Asia-Pacific region (and the same is true for South America and Africa) is getting their books in front of a European or American audience, where most of the buying happens, where most of the “hype” is, via competitions, awards and prizes. A small European bookshop, for example, will not survive through charitable gestures supporting smaller publishers located in Manila or Taipei or Auckland. A healthy and profitable bookshop needs to stock books by photographers people already know; as a result most of the bookshops in Europe sell the same or similar titles. Therefore, it is the audience that needs to educate themselves about photographers, photobooks and publishers from other regions.

The opportunity to address this is threefold. At fairs and festivals, prior to their visit, audiences should research which publishers are present from other continents and support them if they can by buying a book. The cost of freighting books across the globe means the margins for these publishers are tiny. The more they can offload and not cart back home, the better. Another way for photobook buyers and collectors to assist is to use the internet smarter, follow smaller independent publishers, festivals and fairs in other countries, and be aware of newly released books that way. The final way is, when traveling, to find and approach the local photobook shops, events and networks, and see who is doing what. Often, if you seek people out and meet with them, they will point you in the right direction to get a sense of what’s happening in photography in that country. These three things mean more exposure for lesser-known publishers and photographers, and eventually this can lead to a more sustainable market internationally for those from Asia-Pacific, South America and Africa.

I try to do my part through my writing, in that whenever I am asked to feature or review new photobooks by a European or American magazine or website, I will only ever write about photographers and photobooks from the Asia-Pacific region. Drawing attention to these photobooks on an international platform might not translate directly to sales, but the hope is that a reader takes note and is made aware of other things happening elsewhere in the world, and uses this information to start to explore further. 

How do you attempt to address sustainability in publishing?

I am not sure the sector can talk about sustainability in a cohesive way, as it’s so different in each country. In our little corner of the world, we do what we can, but, in the broader scheme, we are at the whim of larger, cut-throat industries and costs controlling import, export, paper, printing, freight and taxes that are all connected to the larger global economy and currencies. Most publishers print overseas (in Asia and Europe), making it pretty difficult to claim any sort of “green” practices.

Paper is no longer made in Australia at all (the last mill closed in 2023) so we have a huge logging industry that produces material that gets sent overseas, and then all the paper for book printing needs to be imported back into the country. This convoluted process is incredibly expensive, making it practically impossible to produce offset printed photobooks here at any reasonable price. The reality is that printing books in conservative edition sizes, ensuring that there is a market for each book, and working in collaboration with other publishers and distributors is the best that can be done currently.

What is the place of language and writing in a book of photographs?

I am firm believer that photobooks and literature are interconnected. As I mentioned, in response to the first question, my obsession with photobooks came from a kind-of literary realisation. Over years of teaching, I have often tried to make it clear to students that literature can be a source of inspiration and ideas for photographers, and that the best writers can provide road signs for how to think differently about how we deal with visual narratives.

Because of this, I often see and look for literary influences in photobooks, not just in their subject matter, but in the way they are constructed or use storytelling devices. I think photographers can learn so much from literature, not just classics by Virginia Woolf, Marcel Proust or Sebald, but more recently Rachel Cusk, Maria Stepanova and Karl Ove Knausgård, as well as others who tell stories in a way that connect with images, and can perhaps inspire photographers to take risks with their storytelling.

I would recommend all photographers be playful and experiment with text and writing. It doesn’t necessarily need to end up in their photobook, and maybe no one else ever sees it, but the routine and the frustration and the pain of writing down what you are thinking is an immensely valuable one. I have learnt so much about photography from writing. It’s the only way I am able to clarify my responses to images.

Who have been the models or templates for your own activities?

My activities regarding photobooks have developed organically and simply out of a love and passion for the medium. My starting point for a more professional and community-oriented engagement with photobooks was when I established the Asia-Pacific Photobook Archive in 2013. I had been back in Australia for three years and was decidedly frustrated at the focus on European and American photography and photobooks that I found here. I was so much more interested to see what was happening in this region. Having visited a few photography festivals in Asia, I had seen first-hand the energy and talent evident in the work being presented. From this came the desire to grow and push the awareness of the photographic community in this part of the world, and to nurture young talent. I wanted to play my part.

The idea for the Asia-Pacific Photobook Archive came out of seeing the brilliant work that Larissa Leclair was doing in the US (Indie Photobook Library) and Bruno Ceschel was doing in UK (Self Publish, Be Happy), and wanting to take it one step further, not just by collecting books but actively and physically sharing them with new audiences. Different to the Indie Photobook Library or Self Publish, Be Happy, the Archive was never intended to be static. The goal from the outset was to get the books seen by audiences in different locations, so I was very clear in our manifesto that any books submitted to the Archive would travel to festivals around Asia and the world. With this promise, in 2013 I started attending more festivals and events, taking submissions and buying books. I would take a suitcase or two of books from the Archive, and set up a space provided by the festival to show these books. It was a condition from the start that we didn’t sell books, as the Archive was never set up as a “business”. Often photographers at these festivals (in India, Japan, Indonesia, Malaysia, Singapore, and more) were not in a position to donate a copy of their book to the Archive, so I would buy it instead. The Archive is probably 60% donated books and 40% books purchased by me.

At the start in 2013, there were very few photography festivals and absolutely no photobook related events in the Asia Pacific region. Chobi Mela and Angkor were the only two main festivals, and didn’t have a photobook element at this stage. But this soon began to change, and now there are photography festivals in most countries in Asia, and most have a photobook fair included. Alongside this, there are many collectives and spaces for photography communities to come together to share and support each other across the Asia-Pacific region. As I said, Isabella Capezio (who runs the Archive with me) and I attended festivals all over Asia between 2013-18, we would curate a display of books that were simply for browsing, and we provided photographer contact information for people to then go buy the books directly from the artists. We attended events in different places in Asia, and early on we were also invited to manage the photobook activities of a few festivals in the region, running reviews, book-making workshops, talks and so on.

As the reputation of the Archive grew we started doing pop-up events of Asia-Pacific photobooks even more broadly, in the UK (at The Photographers’ Gallery Bookshop), and at photography festivals in Europe (Latvia, Dublin and Landskrona), and all over the US. The books that people submitted certainly clocked up a lot of miles.

As time passed a lot more festivals had emerged across the Asia-Pacific region, and a lot of these events started running their own photobook fairs and developing their own collections and libraries, so the need for the Archive to actively travel became reduced, and the number of submissions we were getting also dropped off. Just before Covid-19, I stopped needing to collaborate with festivals and fairs as most of them now had their own photobook events and spaces to house their own collections. The Archive served its purpose at the time, and I am happy that we played a small part in the early days of turning the focus on to photobooks in this part of the world.

From the beginning we had a physical space for the Archive in Melbourne that was open to the public and managed by volunteers. This was a very important part of the jigsaw in the early days. Not only were the books travelling all over the world, they also were on display here in Melbourne. The Archive still has a public-facing space, is still open and we still have photographers, student groups and international visitors accessing the Archive, doing research and looking for inspiration. It’s still a free and accessible resource.

What would make a better photobook ecosystem?

I would like to think that in the coming decade the attention of the photobook and photography world will move away from North America and Europe and will recentre itself in other places – in Asia, South America and Africa. As I previously started to discuss, the photobook network in the Asia-Pacific region has developed over the last 15 years, and today there are dozens of events of all sizes across a range of countries. It has become a positive space, though not without challenges and limitations. With the rise in art fairs, photobook fairs and photography festivals in the Asia-Pacific region, European publishers are becoming more aware of the wealth of talent here. There are, each year, more and more books being published featuring non-European and non-American photographers. The difficulty and challenges for the ecosystem is at the ground level and is simple economics; this is where people like Jessica Lim (Angkor Photo Festival), Shahidul Alam (Chobi Mela), Gwen Lee (Singapore International Photography Festival), Anshika Varma (Offset Projects) and other even smaller organisations and collectives in other countries come in and are doing amazing work. These sort of initiatives and organisations need the support of the broader international photobook world. This is true also for South America and Africa. There are smaller groups, collectives and organisations that need the support of their European and North American counterparts.

With what is happening politically, it’s pretty clear the world global economy is going to struggle in the coming years, so I do fear for book sales, especially for smaller publishers who work with tight margins, and with emerging artists without an established following. I firmly believe North American and European audiences need to keep pushing themselves to look outside of the photographers and publishers in their own countries. There are such rich and amazing stories being told in all parts of the world, and they need to be sought out beyond the shelves of their local book shop or book fair.

I find it a conundrum that the connectivity of the art world and the photobook community seems to keep expanding and improving, while at the same time, our political leaders and the majority of our voting populations become more insular and xenophobic. It feels like photography and photobooks, and the diversity of stories they tell, will become even more vital in coming years.

Further interviews in the Photobook Conversations series can be read here


Images:

1-Daniel Boetker-Smith © Mia Mala McDonald

2>3-Cover and spread from Auto-Photo: A Life in Portraits (Centre for Contemporary Photography and Perimeter Editions, 2024)


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Photobook Conversations #4 | Valentina Abenavoli: “Books have always been the proof of lives lived”

Photobook Conversations is edited by Ana Casas Broda (Hydra + Fotografía), Anshika Varma (Offset Projects) and Duncan Wooldridge (Manchester Metropolitan University). Sitting alongside the earlier Writer Conversations (1000 Words, 2023), edited by Lucy Soutter and Duncan Wooldridge, and Curator Conversations (1000 Words, 2021), edited by Tim Clark, it completes the series exploring the ways our understanding and experience of photography is mediated through exhibitions, writing and publishing.


Valentina Abenavoli | Photobook Conversations #4 | 19 Dec 2024

Valentina Abenavoli is an editor, book designer and visual artist working at the intersection of photography, video, sound and text. She has led intensive workshops on photo editing and bookmaking internationally. In 2012, she co-founded Akina, an independent publishing house producing challenging photobooks by emerging photographers. Her first photobook, Anaesthesia, was released in 2016, followed by her second book, The Harvest, in 2017. Both are part of an ongoing trilogy investigating the subjects of empathy and evil. Recently, she co-founded Neighbour, an alternative art space in Trivandrum, India, focusing on exhibitions, publishing and collaborations.

What were the encounters which started your relationship with photobooks?

When it comes to books, there’s neither a clear beginning nor an end. It’s an ongoing, evolving relationship. It wasn’t a sudden spark or love at first sight. Rather, it grew slowly, rooted in childhood, in stories, in diaries filled to the margins, in old family albums like entire encyclopaedias of strangers. Something deeper stirred within me, drawing my mind toward far-off places and revealing the beauty in life’s most ordinary details – all recorded and preserved in printed form. Books have always been the proof of lives lived. They offer a suspended moment in time, a refuge from reality, an open invitation to step into an extraordinary “other” world.

When I think of my life before working at Akina, I recall a fascination for photobooks that was raw and unshaped – an early, unrefined intuition that supported an imaginative approach without prior knowledge, in its mad and vast simplicity. I would pick up a book because of its cover or title, without knowing what to expect with each turning page. As I learned the narrative structures and rhythm of sequences, I took my sweet time with each book, and some stories, in all their complexities, would linger in my mind for a long time, unfolding in multiple serendipities and nocturnal epiphanies. It was a real pull, a magnetic one, that had been the primary subject of my thoughts for many years. That blissful ignorance is what I now miss deeply.

Many years ago, while still studying, I worked at a book fair in Torino, Italy, in a rather simple role. I was responsible for handing out microphones to writers and publishers as they took the stage. In between talks, I would slip away to wander the stalls with Federico Clavarino, who, years later, would become one of the artists Akina collaborated with. Together, we flipped through the works of Italian photographers like Letizia Battaglia, Luigi Ghirri and Mimmo Jodice. At times, we kept an eye on the clock to avoid missing the next talk, but then one of us would inevitably get lost in the spell of books – the weight, the texture, the world of a stranger offered to you as the most intimate shared space. These books were far too expensive for me, so I filched a few. It’s a good story to mark the beginning of my relationship with photobooks. There was a desire to understand the realm of these visual storytellers, using the book form to express and communicate something invaluable – an expensive magic.

In the same city, around the same time, I would often spend hours among the dust-coated wooden shelves of La Bussola, a local bookstore selling old, preloved and out-of-print titles. These books waited for someone – anyone – to come along and rescue them from the anonymity to which they were relegated. Sometimes, I think many survived years under the indifferent dust of the bookshop only to gather a new layer of dust on someone’s shelf at home. The gesture of taking a forgotten, preloved book that could be reintroduced to someone’s life, where it might one day be opened again, its pages turned by another’s hands. There was a kind of timelessness to it, a quiet, slow resistance to finitude, defying the rules of a fast-paced market, where books need to be sold out within the same year of release. The photobook selection was scarce and mostly generic, but some obscure gems I still own today were found there, on a corner shelf labelled ‘fotografia’.

When this fascination for photobooks found me, beyond the coffee table books of famous photographers whose names I never learned, there was a growing urge for independence in photography – a push against the establishment, a need to create something outside the mainstream. From the underground up. I see now the sense of rebellion that led me to want to be part of that movement of zine makers and cheaply produced books filled with loud content and honest rawness. I started collaborating with a literary agency, learning editing, publishing and marketing. But I think it wasn’t enough to simply work with books. I wanted to create the book object itself, from scratch: the design, the choice of size, paper, sequence and text. A book is more than just a collection of images or words – it has the intrinsic quality of being made by many hands, collectively contributing to different stages of creation, production and dissemination. I wanted to be part of that effort to create vessels of beauty and change.

It is an everlasting joy and a never-ending pain, my relationship with photobooks. It has its roots in intuition and surely changed my life when it began, but I haven’t yet figured out how much I’ve changed in relation to them. It used to be all I could talk about – books, books, books – and I still do, even though Akina no longer publishes, and I no longer stand on stages, advocating for space and support to experiment with new ways of expanding the market beyond its bubble. I’m just quieter and more specific about it now, which seems to go well with age.

What is your process for arriving at decisions about books and the projects that you undertake?

As a publisher, I was once drawn to photographic projects that required courage, often tackling controversial or thought-provoking subjects. I was keen to engage with works that had the potential to spark conversations, provoke complex social dialogue, or explore political and existential themes. If the visual narrative was compelling enough, I believed that words weren’t necessary in the book. But both the market and I have changed since then. What excites me most today are projects that embrace interdisciplinary approaches, where photography is one part of a larger composition – often working alongside text, illustrations or video stills. In this context, the book itself becomes a form that embodies connections between disparate elements. Each spread follows the next, creating both linear and non-linear relationships between subjects, objects, actions, places and time. These parallel narratives, and the potential meanings they carry, are familiar to us and can be part of a larger scope, like a symbiotic root-like system of interconnections.

The concept of the “third image” created by the juxtaposition of two images placed side-by-side is that inexplicable mental image that words cannot express, yet it’s something we all understand and discuss when reading, teaching or analysing photobooks. Being by contrast or by accumulation, this is a catalyst for endless possibilities and effects. It reflects a state of being mutually dependent, not only in the natural world but across different disciplines as well. It speaks to the emotions we give and receive, the long-term use of knowledge, and the process of unlearning in order to learn again. It really highlights humanity’s complex relationship with both the known and the unknown. And in this sense, the more we look at the world in an interrelated way, the more we can deepen our sensitivity to various subjects and towards each other.

There is a clear need to bridge the gap between art practices and academic research, as both fields can benefit from each other’s insights. We are too accustomed to thinking, working and acting within the photography niche, but by doing so, we often tend to congratulate each other’s results without truly challenging the way photography can serve as a carrier of meaning. If we are curious about humanity, we would only benefit from collaboration, which allows us to better contextualise knowledge beyond specific areas of study.

We often formulate projects based on our imagination and speculation, and I am deeply fascinated by this potential, by the process itself. I like to linger in the urgency of ideas that provoke thought with no immediate purpose other than offering alternative perspectives. I like the aftermath of creation, when the work becomes at the service of an audience to be dissected, interpreted, carried forward in any iteration possible.   

Over the years, I’ve come to realise that a new model of the art world is needed, one that challenges the individualist culture of authorship and creative production. I prefer to engage in works that are rooted in collective experience and that are participatory. This is where my interest in collaborative authorship began – where books and exhibitions are the result of dialogues, negotiations and exchange, and where there’s a certain acknowledgement of the new forms projects have taken, emerging from a shared creative responsibility of multiple voices. Artists, writers, designers, curators and editors add layers of meaning, context and interpretation of the work, making it a complex and dynamic entity beyond the purely artistic expression. It is within this space of mutual influence, where roles and responsibilities intersect, where I find the greatest creative potential to break down the hierarchies in the art world and maybe create a more sustainable model for all.

I think moving to Kerala, India, and working primarily with artists and institutions from the Global South for the past five years, has given me a different perspective on what collective narratives can achieve. This shift from the individual to the collective requires rethinking agency itself, recognising that personal stories are always entangled with larger social, political and economic forces. It means moving beyond isolated experiences to examine the structures that shape them. There’s a need to decolonise our understanding of stories and power, and I believe this will always shape my collaborations moving forward.

How do you like to work with people?

Meaningful conversations are the foundation of how I work with artists. I believe that truly listening to someone’s story is essential in my role as both editor and designer. I like to be convinced, questioned and challenged. Serving the potential of the work, bringing forth everything that is yet to be said or seen. This requires not just a deep understanding but also a healthy mix of empathy, respect and imagination to translate these works into book form.

Trust is built by being open to each other’s vulnerabilities. There was a time when conversations with artists were so visceral and emotional that hours would pass without eating or sleeping, leaving my mind on fire. I’ve only recently learned the importance of saying “no” and setting boundaries. I experienced complete burnout once, and it took me two years of healing and rest to be able to absorb what an artist wanted to share and to help them navigate the book form again.

Now, I’m much more selective about the projects I take on. Becoming a mother gave me a new perspective. The urgency I once felt to engage with every intriguing project has shifted. Now, I weigh not only the potential impact of a project but also how it aligns with my current priorities – mental health being one of them. There’s still a bounce of ideas and shared vulnerabilities, but it’s a slower, more considered process.

How do you balance choices between working with highly specific materials or processes, and the desire for access?  

My practice began with a clear focus on balancing specific materials and processes with accessibility. In 2012, we at Akina started printing and binding handmade books at home, inspired by zine culture as a revolutionary, accessible way to spread ideas. Without funds for offset printing, we explored new approaches to both content and form, collaborating with emerging photographers. We managed to get trial machines twice, and published four zines and two books in editions of 100 to 200 copies each, paying only for the paper. London, at the time, was alive with creativity, and we had the support and courage to leave stable jobs for counterculture.

Over the years, we produced handmade books in two editions – a standard and a collectible edition – at prices people could afford (£8 to £12 for the standard edition, £35 to £50 for the collectible). All the books sold out within a very short time, leaving us often with a backlog of production and long nights spent surrounded by obscure vinyl records, managing humidity in perpetually damp London and stacks of paper covering every inch of our space.

The idea was to meet the needs of both collectors and those who wanted to be part of the community but couldn’t usually afford expensive books. It was our way of addressing the divide we saw in the photobook market, where books either became collectible and expensive or were inaccessible to many artists and readers. It was also the proof that limitations – being money or materials – can really help creativity to strive, instead of containing it.

Large companies reach broader audiences with offset printing, lowering costs and benefiting from wide distribution while producing high-quality books. However, I never worked with distributors, and staying independent and sustainable was challenging. Eventually, we decided to shift to offset printing as demand grew, but in doing so, the books seemed to lose their intrinsic value of being unique. That was when it stopped being fun and transformed into something more rigid – a business governed by profitability frameworks. Although I partnered with a visionary printer in Istanbul, Ufuk Sahin, known for his ability to challenge the impossible, creativity can become subject to the pressure of meeting market demands. This leaves less room for failure when the investment is too high. I don’t have the answers. Ultimately, I closed my publishing house after eight years and many books produced. 

What do you think is the significance of the shift towards the book as an object?

It’s the tactile experience, the quiet moment of slowly unfolding someone else’s work in a sentimental manner. In a world that’s increasingly digital and ephemeral, the book is an anchor, a testament, an act of resistance. When one begins to notice how a book feels, and makes a ritual out of it – picking it up, running the fingers over the cover, that first crack of the spine, the smell of the ink on the paper, the whole experience of reading becomes an encounter with its own physicality. It slows you down, draws you into its pace, and invites you to stay for a while. The book becomes a place, almost, one that you inhabit for a time. And what a profound, enduring form of communication it becomes – tangible, intimate and moving – capable of being disseminated while resisting the passage of time.

Anaesthesia, the work I am most attached to, asked to be a book from the very beginning. It emerged from a profound personal struggle, fuelled by anger at the Western bias of empathy towards the Middle East – a bias that has perpetuated the dehumanisation of certain populations, shaping cultural narratives and influencing perceptions for decades. The choice to work on a book – densely black in its form – was the most visceral reaction to a world of violence and indifference. In exploring how reality is documented, shaped and presented to us, the book poses a fundamental question: if we’ve been overwhelmed by images of horror and war, becoming numb to the suffering of others, how will we choose to respond? Through the way the images and words are placed in the book, I wanted to invite others to feel, to pay attention, and to have radical positions towards humanity. Now, one year into the ongoing genocide in Palestine, on the verge of a much larger escalation, we are still bearing witness to our collective history, we are still challenging the false narratives. That book is a small testimony.

What is the place of language and writing in a book of photographs?

I’ve always loved the freedom that lingers at the edges of the image, outside of the frame. It is where the reader is really able to imagine. When words are offered, language becomes at once illuminating and restraining. The writing evokes what is not immediately visible. It guides, suggests, hints and eventually offers a way to begin, without ever telling you how to end. But also, words can impose. They can point to specific narratives, excluding, in part, the infinite possibilities of imagination. On the other hand, words that are not descriptive, and that generate abstract meanings, can create a beautiful tension, where text and image subvert each other’s autonomy, pulling in opposite directions – one towards specificity, the other toward openness.

An intellectual controversy that has accompanied photography since the beginning is whether it can be defined as a form of language. I’ve often thought it is reductive to classify it this way, and I believe its unreliability as a form of language is one of the reasons why contemporary photography often relies on archetypal symbols, such as an isolated house in a bare landscape or hands holding something (or each other). These are simplistic, symbolic representations used to convey meanings of relationships, of belonging, of loss or identity, but they are not arranged in a systematic structure, which leaves them open to a certain simple interpretation without offering the precision of language. Many might disagree and argue that this approach opens up the ambiguity of photography for viewers who lack visual literacy. Words allow for precise and systematic communication, yet they also leave room for ambiguity due to the absence of a precise visual representation. On the other hand, when images are overly symbolic, they offer a clear visual representation but lose the ambiguity inherent to the photographic medium. I am looking at that isolated house, and I cannot imagine another type of house, which, in itself, reduces the interpretative imagination.

I believe the only way to resolve this dilemma – and to elevate the photobook market to the same level of prominence as written books – is to make visual literacy a common subject, continuously and at every age, in every educational institution. To be more mindful about the current world as it is represented in images. Because art asks for a dual engagement: a visual one and an intellectual one. And too often it leaves out those less familiar with the other “language”.

Who have been the models or templates for your own activities?

In many parts of my life, I can trace exactly where it all began – the contexts in which I gathered each facet of the person I’ve become, the moments when decisions were made, who stood by me, and who drifted away. It’s like a vivid map made of memory lanes and sentimental journeys, and I cherish every turning point, each past version of myself. There is a series of consequential events, and connected people, that have led me here, now, in Trivandrum, with my partner Joe and our son Eli.

It was 2015 when I met Sohrab Hura in Arles for the first time. He is not only an incredibly talented and considerate artist but also a reliable friend who has this unique ability to connect like-minded people. With a short and precise email, he introduced me to the wonders of Nayantara Gurung Kakshapati, the founding director of photo.circle, Photo Kathmandu and Nepal Picture Library. It took a year and a half before I could finally meet her in Kathmandu, and we spent a full week in one of the most immersive and life-changing workshops I’ve ever run. I have pictures of the students editing at 4am, with book cover cloths wrapped around our heads like veils. After that week, we began calling each other “mama”. I believe it was love from the start, but also the joy of finding that our complementary skills allowed us to create something powerful together.

Nayantara’s work is about the transformative power of visual storytelling – not just as art but as a force for social change. Together, with a growing team who feel more like family to each other and to me, she’s shown how photography and visual media can empower communities to reclaim their own stories. These aren’t just acts of creativity, but acts of rebellion against dominant narratives. What makes their approach special is that it’s about building systems that nurture relationships and spark long-lasting dialogue. It challenges the status quo, drawing from indigenous knowledge to reframe ideas of inclusivity and equity, using art, ecology and political stands as collective tools for change.

In 2018, during my artist residency for Photo Kathmandu, I stayed at a guesthouse in Durbar Square in Patan. Every morning, the temple bells would wake me at 5:30am, and from my window, I’d watch people of all ages and backgrounds interacting with the exhibition The Public Life of Women. It was surreal – people staring, reading, commenting on archival images of women who made history, all before dawn. It’s unimaginable to have such public engagement in the West at that hour, let alone one that addresses themes of gender and society. It made me question who we create art for and why.

I find myself thinking often about the present – about what role I have in our community, and how deeply Nayantara and the photo.circle family have inspired me. My mind drifts to Neighbour, the space Joe and I are about to open here in Trivandrum. It feels like the necessary next step, an extension of everything I’ve learned and believed in as an artist, a publisher, a designer, an educator and as a witness to current times. Neighbour is the combination of books, art and coffee, basically what makes my everyday. It is a reflection of our hope to engage with the world through the act of gathering, of being present with one another. I hope we can become a catalyst for change – however small that might be at first in our neighbourhood – where conversations can have that imaginative narrative, and books and art can push boundaries, challenge perceptions and ask difficult questions.♦

Further interviews in the Photobook Conversations series can be read here


Images:

1-Valentina Abenavoli © Joe Paul Cyriac

2-Yusuf Sevincli, Oculus (Galerist and Galerie des Filles du Calvaire, 2018)

3-The Public Life of Women: A Feminist Memory Project (Nepal Picture Library, 2023)

4-Sayed Asif Mahmud, Marta Colburn and Jessica Olney, Bittersweet, A Story of Food and Yemen (Medina Publishing, 2024)


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Photobook Conversations #3 | Miguel Del Castillo: “Books are meant to be touched, seen and flipped through”

Photobook Conversations is edited by Ana Casas Broda (Hydra + Fotografía), Anshika Varma (Offset Projects) and Duncan Wooldridge (Manchester Metropolitan University). Sitting alongside the earlier Writer Conversations (1000 Words, 2023), edited by Lucy Soutter and Duncan Wooldridge, and Curator Conversations (1000 Words, 2021), edited by Tim Clark, it completes the series exploring the ways our understanding and experience of photography is mediated through exhibitions, writing and publishing.


Miguel Del Castillo | Photobook Conversations #3 | 21 Nov 2024

Miguel Del Castillo is a writer, translator, editor and curator. He was born in Rio de Janeiro and lives in São Paulo, Brazil. Named one of the best young Brazilian novelists by Granta, he is the author of Restinga (Companhia das Letras, 2015) and Cancun (Companhia das Letras, 2019). He coordinates the Photography Library at Instituto Moreira Salles (IMS) in São Paulo and was formerly Editor at Cosac Naify and ZUM magazine’s website. Del Castillo previously published an online column on photobooks and is now pursuing an MA in Literary Theory at the University of São Paulo.

What were the encounters which started your relationship with photobooks?

I began my career at Cosac Naify, an art and literary publishing house, where I started as an intern before being hired as an Assistant Editor for children’s books. After a few years, I also began assisting with architecture and art books, as well as handling image rights. Eventually, I had the opportunity to become a full editor, overseeing both architecture and photography books. I had the opportunity to work on books by notable Brazilian artists such as Bob Wolfenson, who, in Belvedere (2013), explored a series quite different from his renowned work in fashion, focusing instead on photographs of decaying tourist spaces. With Vicente de Mello, I collaborated on Parallaxis (2014), which brought together several of his series. Our aim was to create something that felt less like a catalogue and more like a photobook – a reflection of his life and artistic journey. I also worked on Contrastes Simultâneos (2014) by Walter Carvalho, whose photographs in the book closely echo his acclaimed work as a cinematographer.

At this stage, my studies in architecture, combined with my interest in photography and experience with art books, played a crucial role. Additionally, my work with children’s books honed my sense of sequencing, and my ability to handle image-text relationships and page transitions which are vital in photobook editing. In fact, I believe photobook studies could benefit significantly from the theory and criticism that surrounds children’s books. Following my experience in publishing, I was invited to join Instituto Moreira Salles (IMS), which was then developing a new museum in São Paulo. I was tasked with leading the Photography Library, building its collection from the ground up, and developing public programs centered around photobooks.

To kick off the collection, we first established our priorities: the primary focus would be Brazilian photography, followed by Latin American, and then international works. Our aim was to gather as many photo-publications as possible from Brazil, while being more selective with foreign acquisitions. We already had some books that were purchased for curatorial research, as well as the Stefania Bril collection – around 1,000 books which demonstrate her important role as an articulator of the photographic circuit in the country, with an eye in tune with the international production of her time (the 1970s and 80s). From there, we formed institutional partnerships, established contacts with national publishers to acquire more books, and purchased several private collections from key Brazilian figures, giving us a solid foundation to build on.

What is your process for arriving at decisions about books and the projects that you undertake?

I strive to think beyond a niche, especially when developing public programmes around photobooks. In São Paulo, there are many specific initiatives that are valid and interesting, but I aim to foster interest among a broader audience. At the IMS library, we have a dedicated space for photobook exhibitions, and I curate selections that appeal to the general public. For example, at our opening in 2017, I presented an exhibition titled São Paulo in the Photographic Book: 1954–2017, which aimed to highlight, through books, the city’s inequalities and rapid, ongoing transformations. Subsequent displays have included a focus on books about military dictatorships in South American.

Previously, at the publishing house, I was fortunate to work closely with in-house graphic designers. This setup is somewhat rare, especially in Brazil, where the editorial team is typically fixed, and graphic work – like covers or the entire design – is usually outsourced to external collaborators. Having graphic designers integrated into the team from the very start of a project was a real advantage. We were able to discuss ideas from the initial concept phase, make adjustments throughout the process, and refine every detail all the way to the final product. This close and continuous collaboration between the designers and the editorial team was a powerful catalyst for the book-making process. The ability to brainstorm, revisit decisions and fine-tune both the visual and editorial elements together made the creative process much more dynamic and cohesive. It allowed for a seamless exchange of ideas, resulting in books that were more thoughtfully crafted from both an editorial and design perspective.

What is the public for a photobook? Who do you think of as your audience?

Being a non-librarian heading a library has significantly shaped how I approach this question. I greatly benefit from my team (including librarians), who offer valuable perspectives on book culture and knowledge sharing. First, what does it mean to create a library dedicated to photography, with photobooks at its core? For us, it means expanding a specific audience and democratising access to photobooks. We achieve this not only by having quality books available but also by fostering an open, welcoming space without membership cards or access restrictions – some visitors even come to work on their own projects. We provide direct access to shelves and promote talks, study groups, book exhibitions and thematic selections.

As editors, we may not always consider how to distribute our books through libraries. Early in the IMS library’s journey, artist Rosângela Rennó gave a lecture in which she said something that has since become our guiding principle: “Photobooks are how we’ll explain what photography was to future generations. We must fill libraries with them; they cannot be confined to private collections.” When I talk to editors now, I try to convey this idea. It doesn’t have to be our library, but it could be their local library or the museum library near their home. To condense this into one sentence: I believe the audience for photobooks is still quite limited, but libraries offer a powerful way to broaden it.

How important is it for photobooks to reach other continents?

I believe it’s essential for the general public to have access to books from diverse places and cultures, as much as possible. At the IMS library, our priority is Brazilian books – we aim to collect everything published locally to preserve our photobook culture. However, we also include foreign books in our collection. When we started, we acquired private collections built between the 1980s and 2000s. Only later did we realise that most of the foreign books were from North America and Europe, as those were the main references and the ones available for purchase here. In response, we made a concerted effort to acquire more books from Latin American, African and Asian authors for our archive. This required active research and engaging in discussions with scholars and researchers who specialised in these regions. We also had to recognise that, even today, many voices from outside North America and Europe are still being published by presses within these continents. Acquiring books published locally in places like Africa, for instance, remains a particular challenge due to issues such as limited distribution channels and prohibitive shipping costs. Navigating these barriers has been an ongoing effort, but it’s essential for ensuring that our collection has the broadest representation of voices.

I can’t speak directly for authors regarding how it impacts them when their books are recognised or showcased abroad, but personally, if I were to publish a photobook, I’d love to know that it was being seen in a library in Mexico, Japan or elsewhere in the world.

What do you think is the significance of the shift towards the book as an object?

There is something in this idea that started to bother me, especially while establishing the library at IMS and developing our access policies. While it is indeed important to recognise the photobook as a three-dimensional object with unique qualities, I’ve found that this perspective can sometimes lead to treating it as an untouchable work of art. At IMS, we decided to keep most of our books accessible on open shelves for the public to browse. Just because a book might cost $300 from an online reseller (due to multiple speculative reasons), it doesn’t mean it should be kept away from users.

If one of the main ideas behind creating a photobook is to provide a more accessible experience than a traditional reproduction, then it doesn’t make sense to publish it only to confine it under a glass dome, where people can see only the open spread or, at best, view a video of it. Of course, there are exceptions for older, more fragile books that require special handling or artist books produced as unique editions. But in general, I advocate against the unnecessary sanctification of photobooks. Books are meant to be touched, seen and flipped through; they should be accessible for people to engage with and share.

What is the place of language and writing in a book of photographs?

As a writer myself, I have a particular appreciation for books that balance writing and images, where both elements complement, provoke or even contradict each other. I’m not referring to photobooks that include a preface or postface (although those can be valuable), but rather to books where text and images are intertwined more deeply, such as El infarto del alma (1994) by Chilean photographer Paz Errázuriz and writer Diamela Eltit, or the Brazilian classic Paranoia (1963) by poet Roberto Piva and photographer/graphic designer Wesley Duke Lee. Contemporary examples also abound, with specific categories even created for this kind of work, such as in the Arles Book Awards.

Maureen Bisilliat, an English-Brazilian photographer, offers a compelling approach with her series of books that pair extracts from renowned Brazilian writers (like Guimarães Rosa, Jorge Amado and Adélia Prado) with her own photographs, creating new narratives she terms ‘photographic equivalences’. She challenges the cliché that “a picture is worth a thousand words” by asserting that her photographs are only complete when paired with text. I once curated an exhibition about this aspect of Maureen’s work, which I called Writing with Images and Seeing with Words, a quote of her own. This perspective adds a rich layer to the discussion of photo-text books.

I also believe there’s much to learn from children’s book theory in this context. For instance, Sophie van der Linden’s Lire l’album (2006) notes that: ‘In picture books, texts and images sometimes ignore each other, contradict each other… But they cannot be compartmentalised or separated completely. Present together in a single space, that of the double page, they are apprehended by the same gaze and necessarily relate to each other from a formal point of view. It is therefore a question of appreciating the occupation of space by these two languages, their own characteristics, their arrangements, the effects of resonance or contrast… Considering that, at the formal level alone, there are already countless implications in terms of narrative and discourse.’

Who have been the models or templates for your own activities?

Before the opening of our library in 2017, I extensively researched various art and photography libraries around the world for inspiration. The first ICP Library was definitely one of them. I was also particularly intrigued by Stiftung Sitterwerk’s advanced system for digitally emulating book shelves, which uses a robotic scanner to recreate book spines side-by-side. Although such a system could be valuable for remote users, what I learned from their effort was the importance of allowing visitors to physically interact with shelves, and that’s exactly how we decided to approach our own library policy. There’s something uniquely rewarding about browsing freely and stumbling upon a book you weren’t specifically looking for alongside one you were. We also drew from independent initiatives like TURMA in Argentina, which has developed a library and a space for courses and activities, as well as other Latin American institutions such as Mexico’s Centro de la Imagen and Uruguay’s Centro de la Fotografía (CdF), with whom we continue to stay in touch.

In terms of publishers, Steidl has been a key partner from the beginning. Gerhard Steidl’s significant impact on photography publications since the 1990s is well recognised. He also decided to collaborate with us to host the first Steidl Library, which includes a complete set of his publications generously donated to us.

What’s currently on your desk?

I have the privilege of working in a room adjacent to the library, which means that each time I go to the bathroom, I cross a long corridor lined with tall bookshelves filled with photography books! This constant visual presence is quite stimulating.

Recently, I’ve had two Brazilian photobooks on my bedside table. One is Sete Quedas by Shirlene Linny and Júlio Cesar Cardoso (2020), an in-depth visual investigation into the story of a brutal kidnapping and murder of an ambassador during Brazil’s military dictatorship. The other is República das Bananas (2021), a strange and brilliant fiction created by Shinji Nagabe. Additionally, I had been frequently revisiting Entre (1974) by Polish-Brazilian photographer Stefania Bril, as I have been working on her major exhibition, entitled Stefania Bril: Desobediência pelo afeto [Disobedience through Affection].♦

Further interviews in the Photobook Conversations series can be read here


Images:

1-Miguel Del Castillo © Carolina Ribiero

2>3-Stefania Bril, Entre (Self-published, 1974)

4-Photography Library at Instituto Moreira Salles (IMS), São Paulo © Pedro Vannucchi


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• Renée Mussai on exhibitions as sites of dialogue, critique and activism

• Roxana Marcoci navigates curatorial practice in the digital age

• Tanvi Mishra reviews Felipe Romero Beltrán’s Dialect

• Discover London’s top five photography galleries

• Tim Clark in conversation with Hayward Gallery’s Ralph Rugoff on Hiroshi Sugimoto

• Academic rigour and essayistic freedom as told by Taous Dahmani

• Shana Lopes reviews Agnieszka Sosnowska’s För

• Valentina Abenavoli discusses photobooks and community

• Michael Grieve considers Ute Mahler and Werner Mahler’s posthumous collaboration with their late family member 

• Elisa Medde on Taysir Batniji’s images of glitched video calls from Gaza

Photobook Conversations #2 | Aneta Kowalczyk: “Not all projects merit the book format”

Photobook Conversations is edited by Ana Casas Broda (Hydra + Fotografía), Anshika Varma (Offset Projects) and Duncan Wooldridge (Manchester Metropolitan University). Sitting alongside the earlier Writer Conversations (1000 Words, 2023), edited by Lucy Soutter and Duncan Wooldridge, and Curator Conversations (1000 Words, 2021), edited by Tim Clark, it completes the series  exploring the ways our understanding and experience of photography is mediated through exhibitions, writing and publishing.


Aneta Kowalczyk | Photobook Conversations #2 | 11 Nov 2024

Aneta Kowalczyk is a self-taught photo editor, book designer and art director at BLOW UP PRESS. The books she has designed have won several awards, including the European Design Award (2024), POY81 Pictures of the Year International (2024), Polish Graphic Design Awards (2019, 2022), Prix Bob Calle du livre d’artiste (2023), International Photography Awards (2018, 2019, 2020, 2021) and Maribor Photobook Award (2020). She also been shortlisted for Les Rencontres d’Arles Book Award (2022, 2024), Lucie Photo Book Award (2022) and PHotoESPAÑA (2018, 2019, 2020, 2023, 2024).

What were the encounters which started your relationship with photobooks?

In my case, it was a natural development. Everything started with the first publication we produced within BLOW UP PRESS. This was an online monthly magazine dedicated to documentary photography, doc! photo magazine. It was a real lesson for me as all my previous design projects were related to corporate identity. Making the magazine, being in a strict time regime, taught me to organise my working system. It was something that was very useful when switching to paper. From the beginning, we wanted our magazine to focus on photographs, to let them talk, with as little distraction as possible. We wanted to have all pictures visible in full, even if they were on spreads, and we wanted the magazine to be a clear statement. With all this in mind, I had to learn how to make it happen.

As I didn’t like how some photo magazines were designed, I followed the approach of the architecture and fashion magazines. I cannot provide any titles here, but they all represented the highest printing quality, and they paid a lot of attention to the images. They were not afraid of big white spaces on the page, nor were they afraid of placing the images on different parts of page and in different sizes to let them breathe and give them a proper visual flow. And what is also very important is that they used bindings and papers borrowed from books, not from regular magazines. Much easier for me to list is some photobooks or books containing photographs that inspired me: The Irreversible (2013) by Maciek Nabrdalik, Karl Lagerfeld’s book about nothing but which is amazing as an object, The Little Black Jacket (2012), and then two books by Japanese artists that are simply masterpieces for me: The Restoration Will (2017) by Mayumi Suzuki and Silent Histories (2015) by Kazuma Obara. And finally, Parasomnia (2011) by Viviane Sassen. You can discover some of their solutions and ideas in our magazine as well as in our books.

Seeing them, or experiencing them, I started to feel the need to create something more durable than a magazine, something that would stay a bit longer, a book. It was necessary for me to free myself from the magazine routine or the magazine-like style of working. I wanted to explore multi-layered and long-term projects, and to create books that go beyond just presenting imagery and text. And then, by the end of 2017, five years after the first issue of doc! photo magazine was uploaded on our website, I designed my first photobook – 9 Gates of No Return (2017) by Agata Grzybowska, which became a driving force for further books.

I’m still learning. It’s not that you stop at one moment. If you do, you risk that you will get into a routine and then all your projects will look the same. For me, the most refreshing moment when thinking about books and what they can look like, how they can be constructed and from which materials, not necessarily papers, came when visiting Ivorypress’ collection of art books. If you happen to be in Madrid, you should go there. This one visit may change a lot.

What is your process for arriving at decisions about books and the projects that you undertake?

At BLOW UP PRESS, we have a motto which goes: “When the story matters.” And that is the most important factor for me when deciding whether to undertake a project or not. I must feel the project, I must be touched by the story. It must resonate with me and my emotions. Then I try to understand the artist’s intentions, motivations and thinking. It takes a lot of time to enter into somebody’s mind, but it is necessary to understand all aspects of the project to transfer its complexity into a book. And I definitely like to be challenged. I don’t have any specific topic I am looking for. I prefer multilayered, long-term projects; really going into the details, exploring the story in all possible ways, where I can see that the artist dedicated themself to making it.

The rest is a journey meandering through the project. All my decisions are dictated by the story, whether we are talking about the paper, book format, length or layout. The book must mirror the project and not simply insert it into some readymade graphic template. The design should somehow be invisible, not to be more important than the story it provides. Each decision taken by the designer must be based on the project and how to make it sound its best, so that the final reader will be impacted, or hopefully floored, by it.

How important is it for photobooks to reach other continents?

Photobooks use the most communicative language of the world: images. Thanks to this, they can be easily understood in any place in the world. Therefore, reaching other continents should be something natural. The bigger audience of the book, the better it is for the story, its reach. Not to mention the artist, publisher and designer, of course. Imagine you live in Australia. It’s a big country but contrary to its size, the photobook market is relatively small. So, if you want your story to reach as many readers as possible, if you want your project to be a game changer, you must go beyond some limitations, including geographical ones. It was also the case for BLOW UP PRESS. We come from Poland which has a population of 40 million people, with a visual culture that is in an early stage in the direct aftermath of Communist time and a lack of proper visual education at schools. If we were to count on our domestic market only, we would have been out of business years ago. As a result, we stopped making separate Polish language editions of our books as we would just lose the money on them. Besides, the English language is becoming more and more popular in Poland, so we reach our audience here anyway.  

What do you think is the significance of the shift towards the book as an object?

At BLOW UP PRESS, we often say we do not make photobooks but art objects. For us, each book is another galaxy with all its own secrets, dark and bright sides. Today, when you visit any photobook fair or bookstore, you will see many books coming from different publishers and artists that look exactly the same, created with the same templates I already mentioned. For me, the photobook’s visual qualities summon experience and emotions and it is exactly this what I’m trying to reflect in my projects.

When I think about the book as an object, the only word that comes to my mind is experience. The reader should experience the book the same way the artist experienced the project. The role of the designer is to transform the artist’s feelings into material form. And this materiality refers to everything, from the papers, through to printing techniques, the interactivity of the book in terms of inserts or any hidden content, up to the final book format and cover.

Let me illustrate this with an example. Recently, BLOW UP PRESS released the book Eternal U (2023) by Hubert Humka that covers the topic of passing, the life and death cycle, eternality. It consists of photographs of British forests existing as natural burial places. The artist came to me saying: “I don’t want to have just a nice book with photographs of forest, I want an artbook. Do whatever you want with my photographs.” It would be very easy to destroy such a fragile project using shiny coated paper or having a traditional approach to layout. In order to translate the artist’s ideas into the final book, I decided to use recycled papers only, to emboss the entire text instead of printing it, and to create negatives from some of the photographs to reflect the cycle of life and death. I wanted readers to be lost in the forest, and so all photographs are printed full bleed. Thanks to embossing, the readers can also experience the bark of a tree if they touch the back side of the page. All this matters for this project and for this book. And all of this makes this book an object to experience. When a friend showed this book to his students, he told them: “Watch with your hands.” So, as you can see, it is something more than just seeing and contemplating images. You must also feel them, physically. This makes the book a desired object to come back to, to collect, to think about in terms of the story it provides and to experience. Yes, it will cost more than a regular photobook, but it is worth making the additional effort.

What is the place of language and writing in a book of photographs?

They say that good pictures will defend themselves and in most cases it’s true. But sometimes it is necessary to give them proper context so they can be read in the way the artist intends them to be seen, regardless of the place and the time. There are many examples of images that were misunderstood when they first emerged, or which outraged the public, and today we admire them. And vice versa. If we give them proper context made through writing, we feel more secure that they will be read in the way were made. Times change, our understanding the world change as well, so does the reception of images. The same refers to photobooks which consist or may consist of such images.

Language in the photobook is also important. It’s the same as with your question about reaching other continents. The more popular, universal or globally known the language you use in the book, the better for the book. As I said, at BLOW UP PRESS, we publish books in English as it is the most widely learned second language in the world, but in some books, we also introduce other languages especially when the project has significant meaning for the local community and/or the artist. What really matters here is to make sure that the text within the book does not overtake the meaning of photographs. We should remember that in photobooks, the story is presented through images, not through the text. The text here is always supplementary to the images. Not the other way around. 

Who have been the models or templates for your own activities?

I am a self-taught photo editor and designer. So everything I know, I have learned from my own mistakes and obstinacy! However, there are two artists I would like to mention. The first is the designer Ania Nałęcka-Milach, it’s thanks to her that I felt in love with photobooks. I am always impressed by her projects and how open she is to share her expertise with other designers. The second person is the amazing Yumi Goto. It’s incredible how she can lead artists and their projects from the idea to the final object. They don’t know this, but these two women shaped me as a conscious photobook designer. 

What would make a better photobook ecosystem?

There is a lot that could be done to make it better. Proper visual education in schools and better state support for photobook publishers and sellers for starters. Also, a greater assertiveness among publishers to not be afraid to refuse publications when they see that the project is weak. Not all projects merit the book format, let’s be honest. Some projects work much better in shorter form and others should never leave the drawer of the artist. We should all be more aware and conscious of qualities and the need for particular projects to provide readers with good books. They deserve this and we owe it to them. 

What’s currently on your desk?

A few projects such as the book by Polish artist Weronika Gęsicka titled Encyclopædia. In it, manipulated stock photographs and AI generated images illustrate false entries she tracked down in different dictionaries, lexicons and encyclopedias. Weronika comments on a contemporary world attacked by fake news that threatens the credibility of media and our freedom. It is another project that adheres to the ethos of BLOW UP PRESS, as fake news is now one of the biggest tools used to manipulate our opinions and minds. It is a very important topic and working on this has been a privilege for me as through this book I can also mark my position on the phenomenon of information disorder. ♦

Further interviews in the Photobook Conversations series can be read here


Images:

1-Aneta Kowalczyk © Hubert Humka

2-Near Dark from Weronika Gęsicka: Encyclopædia, published by BLOW UP PRESS and Jednostka Gallery (November 2024)

3-Théophile Fogeys Sr from Weronika Gęsicka: Encyclopædia, published by BLOW UP PRESS and Jednostka Gallery (November 2024)

4-Jungftak from Weronika Gęsicka: Encyclopædia, published by BLOW UP PRESS and Jednostka Gallery (November 2024)


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• Renée Mussai on exhibitions as sites of dialogue, critique and activism

• Roxana Marcoci navigates curatorial practice in the digital age

• Tanvi Mishra reviews Felipe Romero Beltrán’s Dialect

• Discover London’s top five photography galleries

• Tim Clark in conversation with Hayward Gallery’s Ralph Rugoff on Hiroshi Sugimoto

• Academic rigour and essayistic freedom as told by Taous Dahmani

• Shana Lopes reviews Agnieszka Sosnowska’s För

• Valentina Abenavoli discusses photobooks and community

• Michael Grieve considers Ute Mahler and Werner Mahler’s posthumous collaboration with their late family member 

• Elisa Medde on Taysir Batniji’s images of glitched video calls from Gaza

Photobook Conversations #1 | Hans Gremmen: “Photography is always a reproduction”

Photobook Conversations is edited by Ana Casas Broda (Hydra + Fotografía), Anshika Varma (Offset Projects) and Duncan Wooldridge (Manchester Metropolitan University). Sitting alongside the earlier Writer Conversations (1000 Words, 2023), edited by Lucy Soutter and Duncan Wooldridge, and Curator Conversations (1000 Words, 2021), edited by Tim Clark, it completes the series  exploring the ways our understanding and experience of photography is mediated through exhibitions, writing and publishing.


Hans Gremmen | Photobook Conversations #1 | 24 Oct 2024

Hans Gremmen is a graphic designer based in Amsterdam, The Netherlands. He works in the field of photography, architecture and fine art and has designed over 300 books. He has won various awards for his experimental designs, among them a Golden Medal in the Best Book Design from all over the World competition. In 2008, he founded Fw:Books, a publishing house with a focus on photography-related projects. Together with Roma Publications, he recently founded ENTER ENTER, a project space in the centre of Amsterdam which explores the boundaries of the book.

What were the encounters which started your relationship with photobooks?

It began when some friends from art school from the photography department wanted to make a collective zine about their work. They asked me to be involved to work on that. I really liked their invitation, and because it was a zine, I also felt lots of freedom to come up with way too many ideas. Those zines evolved later into magazines, and after that into books. However, the feeling of freedom and experimentation continued through all the other publications. Equally, an idea that you work on with friends never changes. It is an ideal, because most of my collaborations start with mailing people who I haven’t met before, but sometimes we end up working several years on a project, which creates an intense and special relationship. These collaborations can only exist when there is no hierarchy. We both have to keep an open mind for each other’s ideas. This means both to move out of your comfort zone. That way, new things can happen, and are created.

How do you balance choices between working with highly specific materials or processes, and the desire for access?

Perfection is fine conceptually, but it should never be the goal. In fact, I think perfect books are very boring. A book should have an edge, some friction. I mean that a book should have some level of desire to make you uncomfortable, because in that way a viewer has to bring something to the book. You are going to be sharper, more present when looking at the work. Perfection lets the viewer be lazy.

It is also not too complicated. Friction can occur when there is a blank page, or when there is an image of a tree in an edit full of portraits. It shakes the viewer, and keeps them on point. And this aspect makes you aware that we are making and looking at a book, not a machine. A book should follow some rules, but also shouldn’t be afraid to break those rules too. For me, this is one of the most important aspects in editing. Further, a book is also made within the restrictions of an industry. If a quote from a printer is high, that is a signal for me that the puzzle is not yet solved. For me, this is an indication that the system of printing and binding is not working for me, but against me. I always try to use the system in the best ways possible. This often means that productions are economically healthy, and in general means a best use of paper, technique and production process.

I like to work within the limitations and restrictions the industry gives me, even if I like to question the restrictions from time to time. I also like to create within reasonable budgets to prevent the creation of expensive books. We aim for our books to be affordable and accessible for (art) students. When we were in art school ourselves, books were an important part of our inspiration and research. And Fw:Books also started as a group of students making books, so we feel very connected to that audience, and therefore making books accessible for them is always important.

How important is it for photobooks to reach other continents?

The idea of borders, and – in a larger context – continents doesn’t really exist in books, I think. We work with people from all over the world, with different views and backgrounds. There is always common ground. The other side of this story is that I think our books should be available for everybody. If you take something, you also have to give something.

What do you think is the significance of the shift towards the book as an object?

Often people come to me saying: “I worked for years on this body of work and want to make a book to finalise the project”. That is a wrong view on what a book is. A book is a beginning, not an end. Also, the relation between photography and books is very unique. There is no such thing as “original” photography. Photography is always a reproduction. Whether it is a C-print on the wall or printed in a book, both are as original. This perspective means a book is a work of art, not a random container of work. The only way for the photobook to survive is if it stops to exist as a genre.

How do you attempt to address sustainability in publishing?

We try to keep our print runs as precise as possible, and when in doubt, we keep it on the lower side. This saves on transport, paper, storage and other costs. It’s a very small gesture, but the idea behind it is to try to be critical towards what we are making. However it is always a dilemma, and a “catch 22” situation. For instance, we wrap our books in plastic. It’s not that we like plastic, but if we don’t do it, we get books back often because they are damaged. That would be creating extra shipping, handling and waste. It is always a matter of pros and cons. We have explored, for this specific issue, the use of biologically disposable plastics, but these are not yet good enough to seriously consider. I have hopes this will evolve in the very near future.

What would make a better photobook ecosystem?

If you mean the “photobook ecosystem” as “photobook world”, then life is too short to think in boxes. Books can have texts, photography, drawings, clippings, art, theory, questions, answers, perspectives, microcosmos, expanding universes, confusion, fiction, facts. Books are books. The photobook should get out of its own self-imposed golden cage and join the other animals in the zoo!

If you mean “photobook ecosystem” as an “ecosystem”, in the environmental sense, I don’t think it is my place to make general remarks or suggestions about this, because I think people should be able to make whatever they want, and however they want.

Who have been the models or templates for your own activities?

Second-hand bookstores. The great thing about these places is that you can browse through books, without a fixed plan. You have to take it as it comes. The books are sometimes organised by genre, but often not really. It is nice to just look at what you come across. Also, it is good to realise that books have a life after the first buyer. Every now and then, I come across a book I was involved in, and makes me very happy to see it there, not thrown away, but patiently waiting for the next person to pick it up, to enjoy it.

What’s currently on your desk?

A never-ending “To-Do List”.♦

Further interviews in the Photobook Conversations series can be read here


Images:

1-Hans Gremmen © Keita Noguch

2-Read Books, Buy Books, Buy Local campaign: Hans Gremmen and Idea Books

3>4-Fw:Books studio images © Keita Noguch
 

1000 Words favourites

• Renée Mussai on exhibitions as sites of dialogue, critique and activism

• Roxana Marcoci navigates curatorial practice in the digital age

• Tanvi Mishra reviews Felipe Romero Beltrán’s Dialect

• Discover London’s top five photography galleries

• Tim Clark in conversation with Hayward Gallery’s Ralph Rugoff on Hiroshi Sugimoto

• Academic rigour and essayistic freedom as told by Taous Dahmani

• Shana Lopes reviews Agnieszka Sosnowska’s För

• Valentina Abenavoli discusses photobooks and community

• Michael Grieve considers Ute Mahler and Werner Mahler’s posthumous collaboration with their late family member 

• Elisa Medde on Taysir Batniji’s images of glitched video calls from Gaza